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Ketza -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/2/2011 10:19:55 PM)

South north part of front:

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Ketza -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/2/2011 10:22:33 PM)

And the far south. The area along the front where the empty hexes are is where I did some rather large attacks. You can see where there are several lines of forts being built for falling back in the future.

2 Panzer armies have been active in the sector attacking him and falling back behind the fort line. This is actually a tactic I used in games such as Fir ein the East back in my boardgame days. The Panzers are so much more effective in the attack yet keeping them off the line is imperative.

I am working on an OKH infantry reserve and currently have around 10 broken down divisions in it attached to corps loaded with engineers building my fort lines.

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Ketza -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/2/2011 10:26:32 PM)

And lastly the Crimea where we are trading hexes each turn. One Panzer Corp is in the area.

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Ketza -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/2/2011 10:34:52 PM)

I know the posts are rather dull but at this juncture of the game it comes down to numbers for me. Numbers of casualties and the number of hexes between the Soviets and Berlin. I think I am in pretty good shape for the long term. Quality infantry in level 3 and 4 forts backed by a sizable Panzer force and a experienced and potent Luftwaffe. Guess we will see how it goes!



achillesdave -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/3/2011 12:26:41 AM)


Im surprised too see so many Pz 38t tanks in 7th Panzer this late in the game. Theres no anti-tank guns capable of destroying the T-34s beside the 88s. Well there is some Marders but I would attatch a LW flak battalion for more firepower.



Ketza -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/3/2011 1:28:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: achillesdave


Im surprised too see so many Pz 38t tanks in 7th Panzer this late in the game. Theres no anti-tank guns capable of destroying the T-34s beside the 88s. Well there is some Marders but I would attatch a LW flak battalion for more firepower.


I never really looked at the tanks types but you are correct. Thats a lot of weak tanks!



Tarhunnas -> RE: Battle of Kharkov! (7/3/2011 12:10:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ketza

Turn 64 Axis offensive losses. Each turn I am mounting attacks where it looks like I will get victories. I have switched it up a little bit and I am hitting his higher CV areas as I have noticed my losses are pretty consistent no matter what I attack. This turn I once again hit the 3-1 casualty rate in my favor.



I have noted that too. It is often unproductive to attack weak Soviet units at high odds. The casualty ratio will be better for the Germans the stronger the Soviet stack is, provided you win the combat.



Ketza -> Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:02:15 PM)

Before I get started some numbers.
Turn 66 OOB

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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:12:56 PM)

After running the turn I went back and compared the OOB from turn 66 to an earlier turn in June to get an idea of what happened over the summer. These numbers are after this turns attacks:

Axis June/Sep

Men 3,458852/3,270093 -188,759 -5.0%
Art 37,372/35,291 -2081 -5.5%
Tanks 3,273/3,223 -50 -1.0%
Planes 3,386 -12 -.3%

Soviet

Men 6,746804/7,036153 +289,349 +4.2%
Art 78,322/81,878 +3556 +4.5%
Tanks 4,511/5,243 +732 +16.2%
Planes 10,505/11,483 +978 +9.3%

Summer Soviet units destroyed - 59
Summer Axis units destroyed - 5

A few takeaways from this:

1) I need to utilize armor more frequently as the armor losses are not on par with manpower losses. This is probably caused by the attrition being caused at the front as I did not have Panzers in the line for July/August. I still need to attack with them more. I also need to use Panzer divisions with old tanks to cull them out and make room for new ones.

2) As well as I am doing with the Luftwaffe the Soviet airforce has still grown by 9%. Luftwaffe strength over the summer is flat which is very good. I think his squadron quality is poor which continues to drain his strength.

3) His 4.2% manpower growth is a bit lower then I thought it would be.



Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:27:03 PM)

Air losses. Another rough day for the Soviet air force. I did lose quite a few transports this turn but its the first time I have used them in months so its all good.

His IL2s are taking a pounding.


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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:31:00 PM)

In the 16th army sector he has commited a Shock army and there are a lot of Corps around. 48th Panzer launched a counter attack and then the lines were tightened up.



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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:33:40 PM)

In the 9th army sector he launched a few attacks. Nothing major he one some I won some.



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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:37:53 PM)

18th army attack shows what happens when the Luftwaffe flies:



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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:44:40 PM)

AGS - All summer I have had the Panzers sitting on the rails waiting for a chance to strike. As he committed many corps in the 16th and 9th army area I decided it was time to try and cause some trouble somewhere else.. 3rd, 4th and 1st Panzer armies along with 3 reserve infantry corps attack in the south and form a medium size pocket.

Unlike the July pocket this one is much stronger as the Panzers have been rested. Also the bulk of his reserve forces seem to be way up north. He has some local strong forces but no Corps that I have seen.

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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 3:47:40 PM)

Losses this turn. Upon opening the turn I noticed he had taken 50k more losses then me during his part of the turn. This coupled with a close to 3-1 loss rate in my favor my part of turn 66 is promising.

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Tarhunnas -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 4:13:26 PM)

Nice little counterstroke!



Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 4:16:22 PM)

Need to keep him guessing as to what I will do [:)]



Encircled -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 6:23:40 PM)

Did he have any reserves behind the line?

Checker board of divisions, solid line of a reserve army, that kind of thing?



Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 6:38:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Did he have any reserves behind the line?

Checker board of divisions, solid line of a reserve army, that kind of thing?



I have been attacking this sector of the front where he advances into hexes without forts every turn but never exploiting anything. I have noticed his line has not been as deep but has been stronger. I did overrun a lot of level 3 empty forts. Actually along most of the line his carpets are now gone so he must be building corps and consolidating his strength. This may give me opportunities in the future as long as I keep my strength consistent.

He has a large commitment up north of many Tank,Calvary and Infantry corps and recon showed nothing in range of the south of any large strength so it seemed an opportune time to strike. The battles up there had shown a shock army involved and now its mired down in the woods and wore down a bit from attacking. If he pulls it out it will take him a few turns to get realigned.

Well unless he has other shock armies and it was just a big trap [:D]



Q-Ball -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 7:35:39 PM)

Good use of Railroads to surprise/confuse the Reds. A good pocket there.

That is a good guess that maybe he was transitioning to Corps, so got caught flat-footed there without local reserves.

A couple half-decent Rifle divsions dug-in back there would have been enough to stop you; unfortunately, sounds like they were at the front.



Encircled -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/12/2011 9:34:48 PM)

Just thought I'd check, as if you had reserve armies and divisions and that happened in '42, you'd probably never leave your fortifications as the Soviet.



Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:36:02 AM)

The Mius river pocket eliminated.



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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:37:05 AM)

Pocket losses:

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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:38:31 AM)

Final 67 OOB. He dropped below 7 mill by around a quarter million. I am not sure of the impact except to look at the raw number and say it was a big win.



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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:45:20 AM)

Final South situation. Everyone gets back to the start lines. He withdrew from a considerable amount of hexs along the front and the forts were destroyed. I was thinking of taking Rostov but it got a nasty CV and the pop is only 17 so I would rather not waste the manpower. Only first Panzer Army which was used to eliminate the pocket is not back on the rails.

He has a ton of stuff thundering down from up north. I think I hit this just right.

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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:47:08 AM)

In the north his major corp elements have gone. The line along the river is reestablished.

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Ketza -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 12:49:54 AM)

Interesting air loss screenshot I took at the begin of the turn. Over 800 losses for the Soviets to 100 Axis.

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Flaviusx -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 1:36:49 AM)

Ole.



Fishbed -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 9:59:10 AM)

Great hit and run maneuver Ketza, I think you made the wise and right choice - harder than it sounds considering the bait of victory disease.



veji1 -> RE: Latest patch turn 66 (7/20/2011 11:28:38 AM)

Once you have moved him out of forts in a big area, isn't there scope for another Thrust ? I mean the more hurt you can dish before winter offensives, the better you can prepare for 1943... He might be baiting you, but this is a mighty salient north of Gorlovka, whose south flank can't be over fortified yet...



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