Camerone in Russia (the end is near)

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STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 5:55:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smokindave34 Excellent AAR - I'm enjoying reading it. Unfortunately your in a bit of a desperate situation, hopefully you can save some of your mobile troops from the Soviet pocket. I looked at some of your previous screenshots and I don't think I would have seen that pocket coming either. It's desperate and I will loose 12/16 divs. I didn't thought too that he would have enough MP to achieve such a Pocket. But I noticed my lines were weaker turn after turn (less CV, less entrenchment, less depth, less well organized stacks, less AP...) A harsh but good lesson!

STEF78 -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 5:56:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SigUp The Red Army come 1944 truly is a monster. Impressive how he just tore up that line. The number of 50+ CV is amazing. I just receive the last turn. SHC has now a 71 CV stack!!!!

STEF78 -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 5:59:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown He will close the pocket again next turn. Make sure to put an empty airbase into the pocket so that you can supply your troops. Not sure that it would change the "isolated" status of the encircled units and with the monster CV around, these units are lost.

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 6:05:10 PM)
2 others screenshots of this turn 1) South Poland Just to show that others german troops aren't on holidays [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/774005169southpoland.jpg[/img] and the final reorganization of my army 2nd Army runs to the lower Vistula, the Hungarians will try to hold the mountains and the XVIth corps evacuates Königsberg to reinforce the Danzig sector [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/596141169poland1.jpg[/img]

Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 8:38:19 PM)
quote: Not sure that it would change the "isolated" status of the encircled units and with the monster CV around, these units are lost. If you put an airbase in the pocket the troops can be supplied by air (indicated by orange color). That means they only lose 33% CV. They can then participate in breaking out of the pocket or at least they can act as a speed bump for a couple of turns.

STEF78 -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 9:01:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown quote: Not sure that it would change the "isolated" status of the encircled units and with the monster CV around, these units are lost. If you put an airbase in the pocket the troops can be supplied by air (indicated by orange color). That means they only loose 33% CV. They can then participate in breaking out of the pocket or at least they can act as a speed bump for a couple of turns. Thanks for the advice Bozo, I've post the turn and already got an answer. It's too late.

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/27/2013 9:07:51 PM)
An overview of the evolution of the OOB during the summer. No comment [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/113651170oob.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/29/2013 7:43:24 PM)
Turn 170, 14th september 1944 Schacha cuts the corridor without any difficulty, and 3 Pzd choose the retreat to the north, well in the middle of the pocket... SHC reaches the Vistula from the Baltic to Varsovia and even manages to cross the river!!!! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/147998170pocket.jpg[/img] Russian stacks show usually 50 + CV. And there is also a 71 CV!!!! Of course I'm unable to reopen the pocket and even to break the bridgehead on the western bank of the Vistula. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/782550170ct.jpg[/img] I decide to give ground in order to avoid an encirclement in southern Poland. Security rgt are sacrified to cover the retreat [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/869227170retreat.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/30/2013 9:40:12 AM)
Turn 171, 21th september 1944 One month ago I was hoping for a draw, now I'm now sure to reach the mud season! The losses of the killing turn [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/571706171losses.jpg[/img] [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/137028171losses1.jpg[/img] All these units will be in refit mode and my pool will be dry

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/30/2013 9:48:50 AM)
Turn 171, 21th september 1944 And the losses aren't the worst part of the news. Schascha increases the pressure, breaks the Vistula lines and isolates Danzig! I had not enough time to bring lots of units in this sector, no AP to organise the stacks (see the -33%!!!). And SHC engaged 5020 arts!!! [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/398794171pomern.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (11/30/2013 9:58:19 AM)
Like Terje, I will try a last defence around Berlin. I'm still controling whole Hungary but Schascha wil reach the plain within 2 turns [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/890823171hungary.jpg[/img] The objective is to gather the max of units around Berlin. The hungarians will delay the russians. [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/709175171romania.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (12/1/2013 8:45:07 AM)
The retreat in the north. I evacuate some units from Danzig, rail a whole army on the Oder. Schascha should be slowed by the lack of rail lines close of the front. [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/220694171retreat.jpg[/img]

loki100 -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (12/1/2013 10:42:50 AM)
looking grim, be interesting to see if you match Terje's epic delaying of the bitter end

STEF78 -> Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (12/1/2013 11:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 looking grim, be interesting to see if you match Terje's epic delaying of the bitter end I don't think so. Terje was more cautious/less confident/best player than me and had prepared several lines of defence around Berlin. I didn't. In fact I didn't even thought that all my northern front would collapse in 3 weeks May be I will change the name of my AAR to "Camerone in Berlin"

Peltonx -> RE: Camerone in Russia (the end is near) (12/1/2013 12:30:09 PM)
What did your OOB look like in August and what did production look like? You have to stop counter attacks starting Jan 43 as this simply causes the swapping issues to kick in sooner. Plus any units pocketed causes a major snowball effect as 90% of replasements go to the returning units. A slow 1 hex per turn withdrawal starting in winter of 43/44 causes a hvy lose of trucks to SHC and greatly lowers attrition loses as there is no contact. Also you built to many FZ to the east, they need to be built 30 hexes from Berlin. Why because IF you can be 30 hexes from Berlin in October 44 SHC is not going to get to Berlin in time. If you been able to slowly withdraw to there and not lose to many units to pockets there will be a solid blanket of FZ's for 300 miles to Berlin. Throw in a bunch of mud+ high MP's during blizzard and holding out is possible.

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (the end is near) (12/1/2013 2:32:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pelton What did your OOB look like in August and what did production look like? See below the evolution of my OOB. I've no shortage in production but useless pools in bombers, old fighters. I've converted most bombers into fighters. I've plenty od pre-1943 squad rifle available in pool (roughly 18 000) but not much post-1943 (500) [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/113651170oob.jpg[/img] quote: You have to stop counter attacks starting Jan 43 as this simply causes the swapping issues to kick in sooner. Plus any units pocketed causes a major snowball effect as 90% of replasements go to the returning units. Concerning counter attacks, I feel they were efficient till srping 1944. SHC was prevented from occupying hexes adjacent to my units. I didn't suffer any major encirclement prior the one end august 1944. quote: A slow 1 hex per turn withdrawal starting in winter of 43/44 causes a hvy lose of trucks to SHC and greatly lowers attrition loses as there is no contact. I did it, and even better, till may 1944. It doesn't work anymore. The speed of digging is too slow against such a huge red Army quote: Also you built to many FZ to the east, they need to be built 30 hexes from Berlin. Why because IF you can be 30 hexes from Berlin in October 44 SHC is not going to get to Berlin in time. If you been able to slowly withdraw to there and not lose to many units to pockets there will be a solid blanket of FZ's for 300 miles to Berlin. Throw in a bunch of mud+ high MP's during blizzard and holding out is possible. Perhaps you're right. I felt confident till spring 1944, was short of AP and prefered preparing 2 lines on the niemen and on the vistula. Obviously, I was wrong on this point

carlkay58 -> RE: Camerone in Berlin (the end is near) (12/1/2013 3:39:45 PM)
Pelton, falling back does not lessen your attrition as long as the Soviets continue to maintain contact. It DOES lower the Soviet attrition as they are not in enemy ZOC during their supply phase. Attrition is calculated during the friendly supply phase for all units adjacent to an enemy unit. The size of the enemy unit does not matter. If you pull back during your movement phase, the Soviets are no longer adjacent to the enemy and have little or no attrition losses. They then move into contact with your forces in their turn and your supply phase sees your units adjacent to enemy units and suffering attrition.

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (september 44 ends!) (12/4/2013 2:12:26 PM)
Turn 172, 28th september 1944 In Poland, Schascha advances to Berlin as fast as possible. The Danzig Pocket is still holding. That's a good news, I will be able to evacuate some units. In Hungary 2 armies are running like hell to their homeland. The hungarians will hold the line as long as they can. Not fair, they were reliable allies! In Germany, you can see all the vampires which absorb my supply. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/634197172.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (september 44 ends!) (12/4/2013 2:17:41 PM)
A closer view of the direct road to Berlin. You can call it propaganda, I show the successfull counterattack! This time LVIIth's Hube takes his revenge! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/705155172aftermove.jpg[/img]

Peltonx -> RE: Camerone in Berlin (the end is near) (12/4/2013 5:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: carlkay58 Pelton, falling back does not lessen your attrition as long as the Soviets continue to maintain contact. It DOES lower the Soviet attrition as they are not in enemy ZOC during their supply phase. Attrition is calculated during the friendly supply phase for all units adjacent to an enemy unit. The size of the enemy unit does not matter. If you pull back during your movement phase, the Soviets are no longer adjacent to the enemy and have little or no attrition losses. They then move into contact with your forces in their turn and your supply phase sees your units adjacent to enemy units and suffering attrition. Good point I never new that. I guess the main point is during snow and blizzard it makes it next to impossible for SHC to pocket any units. Even during summer its not an easy task. I am very interested to see results from games started after 1.07.11 to see the effects.

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (10-1944) (12/6/2013 8:08:27 PM)
Turn 173, 5th october 1944 The red hordes arrive very fast. Let's see an overview of the front [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/124401173front.jpg[/img] I've lost Poland, Pomern, East prussia. I think I will be able to hold the carpathian line till the mud. The front line is Oder, Warthe and then the Carpthian Mountains and some units pocketed in Danzig. Look at the heroic defence of the city. I've tried to determine the location of SHC raihead line. In the north, he should begin to have some supply difficulties. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/178542173fbd.jpg[/img] [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/194885173fbd1.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (10-1944) (12/6/2013 8:24:13 PM)
Focus of some hot points 1) Stettin SHC is 20 miles from the Oder river. I launched 2 successfull counterattacks. I can't do more... I've concentrated on these 2 attacks 1/3 of my AFV! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/681111173ct.jpg[/img] 2) Ostrava Another marvelous success!! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/711035173cracovia.jpg[/img] 3) Hungary SHC is reaching the plain [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/274620173hungary.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> One year ago (12/6/2013 9:55:38 PM)
WITE is really amazing! The game against Schascha begun more than a real year life ago!!! It represents several hundred of hours of play. My best game's purchase ever! My wife and my daughters call WITE "the little war". Am I crazy? [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/541458anniversary.jpg[/img]

Flaviusx -> RE: One year ago (12/6/2013 10:05:30 PM)
None of the women in my life have ever understood my wargaming hobby. That's just the way it is, and always has been.

Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: One year ago (12/6/2013 10:06:35 PM)
quote: Am I crazy? No you are not. It's an amazing game. My wife and daughters call me "Bozo" for playing this game. [:D]

STEF78 -> One year ago (12/7/2013 1:50:43 PM)
Thanks! Nice to see I'm not the only one[:)]

STEF78 -> Camerone in Berlin (10-1944 (12/7/2013 1:54:59 PM)
Turn 173, 5th october 1944 I wanted to post one of my too rare defending successes thanks to 2 reserve activation [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/999728173north.jpg[/img]

smokindave34 -> RE: Camerone in Berlin (10-1944 (12/7/2013 2:44:59 PM)
I think it's time to break out the "wonder weapons" Stef78...... I agree - the money I have spent on WITE has been without a doubt been my best gaming investment. [:D]

STEF78 -> RE: Camerone in Berlin (10-1944 (12/7/2013 3:04:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smokindave34 I think it's time to break out the "wonder weapons" Stef78...... I'm waiting for them. They will be ready for january 1946. I will begin my massive counterattack at this time!

Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: Camerone in Berlin (10-1944 (12/7/2013 3:11:27 PM)
quote: I agree - the money I have spent on WITE has been without a doubt been my best gaming investment. Yes, this game and maybe Half Life 2 and Bioshock 1 and 2. [:D] Games you always come back to.

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